B18 block vs b20 With the b20 i've heard of alot of people cracking their stock sleave's. spetz. Has anyone done these swaps (I know have done b16 w/ b20 block). which clearly There are actually two short blocks which are used for the entire series. Oh, you can't do 10,000rpm with a LS block. CiVic_dxR Discussion starter. The b18 has a stronger cylinder wall than the b20b. Save Share The 2nd B20 I built was for a friend, but i had say in the build, B20z bottom end B18C4 skimmed head ITR Cams ARP head studs KMS block gaurd GE B20 kit B18 crank girdle, windage tray anmd sump AEBS manifold 70mm STR Throttle body Remapped ecu 2. what parts on the b16s, b18, b20a, and b21a motor are inter-changeable 2. Now obviously, this is more sophisticated than just simply switching out the head, but there are build guides online and this combo has proven to be very good. any numbers i do The PLM Private Label Mfg. Most reputable shops will not even reccomend sleeving a B20 as they can't reliability hold power even fully built. any numbers i do the B18 head flows worse then teh b16 head, and teh b16 block ios worse then the b18 block sell that setup, or seperately, and purchase a B16 head, either from a del sol or civic type r, and find any integra b18 block. 900 (226mm) deck height and 84. $ 52. Learn about the B20 engine, compare B18 vs B20, and discover which is the best B series engine for your Honda. Argue what you will. Send the Hi everyone I need B20 or B18 block See my point? Its not the stroke that is the question here about B20 blocks. 5mm bore. I recall that somebody had done a fit of a compact Denso alternator on a B20; but, I have not been able to find that webpage or any reference to a suitable part number. 6 owners using 1. A LS block will take a fair amount of work to compare to a GSR block, but mostly, you need to search. what about with a b18 head? Power wise and bolt-on upgrades wise would I be better getting a k20? I think that would be B18 engine is a 1. i'm in the process of doing a b20/vtec, but theres been some questions i've had about the build. A GSR/ITR block with LS Crank, aftermarket rods, pistons, etc will ALWAYS be superior to the LS block with the same internals. ive searched around for numbers and cant find jack. Here is a comparison, between b17, b18 and b17/18 hybrid rods b17 vs b18 rods: b16a/b vs b18b/c vs h22/23 vs b20 FAQ Let's get Technical! Car Forums . 504'' (89mm) So 5. Along with that, I've converted to the electronic ignition and distributor from a 240. 8 if it's B18 vs B20. The other way around, a B20 head on a B18 works fine with a B20 head gasket. 0, stock b21 compression is 9. sorry if im posting in the wrong forum. like if the head bolts are the same, altenator position, ac position and The B18 airflow was into the filler cap and out the top of the oil trap. It's going to incorporate the usual go-fast goodies, including 45DCOE Webers, forged pistons, 123 distributor, lightened flywheel, and more, plus a head modified to Phil's specification what the difference between B20b Block with b16 head and B18 Head Hey guy just wonder difference between B20b Block with b16 head and B18 Head? which one head give more power and strong? mind you will need to notch/replace ur pistons on the B20 block if your planning to use anything larger than the ITR camshaft as you will get piston/valve b20 sleeves thinner than b18 + r/s lower than b18 = be careful. Thread starter b16es; Start date Mar 28, 2009; Replies 83 Views 13K See what others are reading now! Try Forums > Current but can upgrade step by step, just that dunno b18 o b20, some recommend b18 some recommend b20, really hard 2 make choice . the B18C is a superior block to the B18A/Bs or B20s. buddha Mad scientist. Ideally, you would have to enlarge the combustion chambers to match or be bigger than the size of the bore & to reduce compression. whats your ideas??? L. Quantity. Forums. The one used for B16 and B17 engines (except for B16B) has a deck height of 203. Save Share (newer engines) and it's 2L, 0. I guess what I am getting out of this is that this procedure is more difficult than just bolting the head onto the block. 67. 89. There are the ones many enthusiasts are familiar with (B16, B17, B18, B20B) and then there are the oddball engines that really shouldn’t have the B in their name (B20A Besides, you want displacement? Either bore out your B18 or use a B20 block. you may need to hone the cylinders and replace the pistons and rings in either. CP Carillo Pistons PN SC7002 Description: Flat top pistons (Set of 4) Comp Ratio FT(10. Rated 5. - Honda/Acura B18, B16 $375 Unfortunately even the CSS can not reliably strengthen the poorly designed B20 cylinders) - Hyundai/Kia 2. 9 mm (8. I've done a bunch of research but just wanted a few more opinions. The B20 block is exactly the same as OK so i have exsperiance with the b20b. The car runs and drives loads better overall however, I'm having a little trouble dialing the carbs (SU) in. 578 How does this block compare in Everything on the trannies has interchanged 100% EXCEPT for this throttle cable on the B18 trans, which is not present on the B20 trans. Dart B20 Block: Has extra-tall 8. Related parts; Cylinder head kit B18A/B. Non on the B20. so if you want the displacement you get the B20if it doesn't matter about the displacement then b18 is fine. Modifications to head required: Drill out head stud holes to 14mm: HP rating: 1700* Significant benefits: Significantly B20 block with b18b head? Jump to Latest 2. The Bullet Honda B series billet block has been engineered to The B20 cannot take boost or any significant increase in torque. it has the P8R head, which has 84mm combustion chambers instaed of 81mm and has 33mm vtec sized intake valves. If you switch from the B18 to the B20 design, you should probably retain the flame shield. Mar 19, 2010 #14 soniyajack said: The B18C is the better engine, the H22A is less tuneable and heavier, and stock only puts out a few horses more than the B18C. 18185 posts · Joined 2008 Add to quote; Only show this user #5 a cheap ass B20 block with a vtec head and ARP hardware on the mains and rods will support 9k rpm, and combined with a header, an ITR or CNC machined specifically for the B16, B18A/B and B20 engines. First start to our 98 acura integra man was we happy after working on it for 3 moths an lots of set backs There's not much that can be done to strengthen the B20 block short of sleeving it with ductile iron sleeves. This package consists of Bore, Diamond Hone, Deck RameyRacing H-Beam Rods Wiseco Pistons ACL Race Bearings Balance You could use a B16 crank in the taller B18/B20 blocks, in fact this is the basis for the JDM B16B engine. You can just read this and i have a b20 block 85. com for way more information. Now I am wondering which head would be better for a N/A build with stock internals. B16. B18c is stronger. any questions hit me up! Different pistons and sleeve in block. this isnt the B20 with the same head as the B18s. Mods. If that head is what I think it must be, it'll work fine on an AQ130 block. L. Mar 19, 2010 #14 soniyajack said: The B-series Honda DOHC engines are the most popular and well known of the Honda engines. • Dart B20+ block has extra-tall 8. Jump to Latest No, I used my b18 setup upall I have from the b20 is the block (with timing belt, crank and pulley) and the head. On the 120 forum, I think The Boy Called Crow did a fit of a 12si on his B20 block; but, it required grinding to get alignment of the pulley using the B20 alternator mounting point. Designed with a true step-up exhaust system, this long-tube header delivers significant low- to mid-range power gains, making it ideal for performance enthusiasts. You gain 0. That also makes the B18 one of the most common and most sought-after engines in the B-Series platform. 531'' long and a B18B(B20) crank is 3. -- Description ACL Race Series Rod & Main Bearings Compatible with Acura/Honda B18 B16 B20 4B1946H 5M1959H Part Number: 4B1946H-STD+5M1959H-STD Suffix: H Denote: Race Series Bearings. Joined Feb 2, 2013 Messages 46. The crank solenoids give out at like 8500rpm. However if you plan on blowin high amounts I'd suggest a re-sleeved b20. Save Share Reply Quote Like. pretty sure there is a forum out there already with this information, but I haven’t found it 😂 Find an auto b18b and strip it to the block. If you bore/resleeve a b18 the cylinder walls will be thinner than those in a resleeved b20. Questions too accomplish a crvtec, alot more then the golden eagle vtec conv. Save Share Have the block resleevedor get a new B20 or B18A block . Dart B20+ block has extra-tall 8. Using a standard B18 crank, so 87. Reply. We increased wall thicknesses in all critical areas and beefed up the Dart B18 block has stock deck height and choice of standard 81. Jump to Latest Does anybody know the difference between the b20 cam and the b18b cam? I put a b20 head on my b18b block, but the exhaust cam for the b20 head is not perfect, it will work, but I would rather use a good cam. VIP. But to Honda fans, both are ripe for modding and ive been searching through past articles and stuff and was wondering which you guys think is better a b18 vtec conversion or a b20 vtec conversion. If you are sold on the idea of better low-end torque, a B16 VTEC head on a B18B block is a cheaper alternative to sourcing a B18C5. the only thing i had to do was change all brackets from my b18 to the b20 and the crank shaft pully and motor mount on the pully side. The B18 uses a single piece for all 4 cylinders, thus reducing the chance for flex in the engine as you turn 9k+ RPM or push 20 psi of boost. You need to use longer connecting well i have a few questions concerning resleeving my b20 block 1. Early versions of B18 engines are not VTEC-system integrated up until the release of the Honda B18C engine, which puts this Explore the key differences between a B18 and a B20 with our comprehensive guide. And its been hard to find things about gsr heads with b20 blocks. What makes the difference between the B and the Z: is the pistons included in the bottom end (which sets the compression, with JDM being higher than the USDM), the intake & exhaust manifolds flow better, OBD1 Engine Block Girdle+Dowel Pin LS VTEC B16 B18 B20 VTEC SWAP GSR. 78 In stock. Future plans are to go boost AWD but looking into doing a B20v setup. Buy! Info: Possible alternatives; Set contains; I have a B18 or B20 head, I don't know which. Pata. Brackets, alternator, power steering, ac condenser etc are all from my b18. The PLM Private Label Mfg. or maybe B20 block, b16 head. Oct 18, 2004 #8 Originally posted by pheonixb16aguy@Oct 18 2004, 06:28 AM if you are planning on boosting a ls/vtec or b20/vtec, i would suggest the b18 only bc of the thinner side walls on the b20. Not QUITE sure the extent of the damage yet, but I've been looking into getting a b20 block to just replace it. I am aware of the costs to properly build a B20 Original top cover for the B18 / B20 as follows. The b18 rods are longer but that is because the But you will have to limit your rpms, because it's not meant to rev as high as a b18 or b16 is. We decieded on using standard parts for the easiest way to figure out how long the rods need to be is the take 137mm (b18/b20 rods) and add 1/2 the decrease in stroke. butt otherwise it was a simple swap. It’s only 1700 which is pretty good in my opinion. 4K views 3 replies 4 participants last post by 90Si Jul 16, 2004. the rest of it the o2 should be able to compensate. Because the B20 bottom end is also from the B-series family, it easily interchanges with the B16 and B18 family of parts. B20v can be plenty reliable, as long as you keep it in its limits With no boost the cylinder walls will be 100% fine on the b20 block. Bear in mind its a lot of work for a very minor bump in Early B18/B20 vs. 60 posts · Joined 2003 Add to quote Have the block resleevedor get a new B20 or B18A block . Blocks are basically the same, minus the sleeves, and the B20 being a bigger bore. Dive into the world We met with Dart Machinery after SEMA and learned a bit about their Honda B18 and B20 Race Series blocks. A stock block have a deck height of 211. 4 liter lead on all of the B-series line, save for the B20. C355-T6 Virgin Aluminum Alloy: Aerospace quality C355-T6 Virgin Aluminum Alloy provides maximum strength and durability. The B20 airflow is reversed and only the B20 oil trap has the flame shield (Volvo's name for that little insert). Vendor ADD W1 Regular price $99. I've got my turbo Integra LS for like 8months of driving hard on 188k miles! B-Series 4sure. Other than that, the headstuds are to prevent loosening of the head and block as normal bolts would stretch quite a bit when running high compression/high boost. Part no: 275411. The B18C will cost alot more though, A mate runs that set up in his race car, Hes got Endyn hybrid pistons to suit the B16A/B20 setup. 0 L B20 engine. These engines are reputed to be very durable. In addition to the non-VTEC B18 block and So, Ive searched and found some answers, but have also got more questions. Hey guys I'm about to swap the head on my b20. The B18 design uses a PCV valve. See more Explore the key differences between a B18 and a B20 with our comprehensive guide. all this info was in the Engine Package "Swapping Parts for Power" article in the Articles' Performance Engine The fact that the block has steel mains is a major selling point,w/all-out domestic racing engines this is the first modifacation to be made usually. Dart offers these blocks in two versions that replace the factory Honda B18 and B20 castings. PDA. b18 cams. e. In most cases, these will directly replace the stock pistons. I never 93 integra:B20 w/ls trannyFull exhaustS300Minor head workDelsol:B16 block b18 head (weird I know)eBay turbo kit 5ish pounds boost (idk) 1. [citation needed] They are also reputed to be very durable. First off the engine will be going into a CRX that is driven daily in the summer at least. Also I'm pretty sure you need to get some work done on the block for routing oil lines for the vtec head anyway. With forged internals and sleeves, you Lil bro just picked up a 94 DC4 with a B18 non-vtec. 7@101 all motor/street tires stock head bishes:hehe 2006 Laguna Blue Pearl S2000. so basically the b20 is sleeved differently from a b18 ls. D. T. But if you invest in making your B20 faster, like changing and replacing all the parts with performance ones, it can beat the B18 for sure since it is the only Specify what version of the B18 you're talking about here. but a the Hoonda B18 and B20 both use the same head (P75). 5 mm over the stock block! ESP (eagle rod) make a special rod to use with the B20(B18B) crank and the B20+ block! The rod is 5. Home. So I think for the most part, the majority of people are dealing with the P74/P75's heads and not the JDM PR8which we covered in detail in the "Put an end to b18 vs b20 head debate" thread that we had here in Dec. adding an adjustable fuel pressure regulator you will probably need somewhere in the 55-60 psi range to get it to be not too lean at wide open. That is the alternator mount. 5 Quart Capacity, 6" deep Kicked-out sump Includes 6 trap doors, 2 baffles and a removable sump tray Hello, im new to the forum. Designed to work with the non-VTEC B16 and B18 engines. Plus the closed deck is much better for turbo Will the 84mm bore on a B20 block pose problems if I were to use b-series pistons other than those meant for B20? I ask because all the other B-series engines use an 81mm bore and I was looking to use some B18 pistons in a B20 build. You can use the B18 heads on the B20, but that's a bad idea. S. that is the ONLY reason. there is no different between the two, the only difference between the two motors is the bore size and intake manifolds. 5mm bore, the tall deck option for longer rods, a Crower 92mm stroker crank pushing and pulling custom Crower rods, a GSR head and The one used for B16 and B17 engines (except for B16B) has a deck height of 203. at TDC, the rod needs to be longer to reach from the top of the shorter crank to the deck height. In stock $ 17. Fact: B18c has a girdle on the crank caps to stabilise the crankshaft. Our Community is 940,000 Strong. As far as the cranks go, i think the B18 and B20 are the same crank and rods, the only difference is in the I've had several blocks bored out (one B18 to B20 size, 2 B20 blocks to B21 size) and the machine shops were always skeptical, had to be absolved of any liability if the block was junk afterward. C. * The PV has broken a piston in the past - a big flake came off and compression dropped enough to be Just finished swapping my tired B18 for a B20 earlier this week. The car idles fine, and feels OK at WOT, but mid range acceleration is a little jerky. You can also use the B20 head on the B18, or so I have heard. and to respond to the other guys talking about b16's, ls/vtec's and bore out my engine; I already have a b18 head and would like a b20 block and I am not going to bore out my engine to a 2. Read some Which one performs best, most power, most reliability, etc. 8l block B20 short block has 84mm bore, B18 short block has 81 mm bore. com Car Chat > Honda > Let's get Technical! > b16a/b (or another B series VTEC head) and a larger displacement block from a B18/B20 non vtec block. The B16's pistons would not work in the B20 block, because of the larger bore. The biggest issue is the rod bolts on the b20, they aren't Have the bottom end balanced and get an engine girdle like this one KMS Billet Engine Block Girdle B16, B18, B20 LS VTEC - eBay (item 350415562869 end time Nov-27-10 09:52:23 PST). The extra strength is worth the expense,and is much stronger then iron caps. Honda B18B Engine – Engineden. kit and the blcok and head are needed, u have to redo the bottem end, the pistons and rods are NOT meant to rev to 8200 rpm (redlines 7500), and the pistons dont have the neccesary spaces on top to miss the valves, (which will bend the ends of them for u slower people, just kidding). If you plan on hitting 600+ hp. 5178 posts · Joined 2009 Add to quote; Only show this user If price is a serious consideration for you in deciding between the Honda B16 vs B18, the B18 – especially the B18B – is the more budget-friendly option. In stock $ 43. thats alot of stress on the walls. IMO, B20 is better. 8 or even 2. Motor was shot so I picked up a B16A. Blog. Search. A building is only as good as the foundation it’s built on, and the same goes for your high output engine build. 1721 cc/10,5=163,9 cc 1998 cc/9,5=210,3 cc 1721/210,3=8,2 so if you fit b20 head to b18 you get a cr of 8,2:1 if the pistons are the same. if you are gonna build a frank I would go B20, I have a non vtec BUT you CAN put a vtec head on a non-vtec block! it's usually called a LS/VTEC build if its based on a b18 and a CRVTEC if it's based on a b20 block. so yes it does have a b18 block but not that same b18 block. The B18A, B18B and B20B platform is non VTEC camshaft design. The United States only received 6 of the 16 B18 variants including the B18A1, B18A2, B18B1, B18B2, B18C1, and B18C5. so my engine is burning oil This is assuming you are going to run it NA - the b16 head will bump the compression up a little over a b18 head. Keep the compression down and stock bore to further lessin your chances of warping or cracking. Modifications required to fit: Remote Oil Filter required, external oil pump & water inlet pipe modification. 0L Theta I4 $425 If a block arrives with caked on grime, oil and grease, then it MUST get Pre-Washed prior to machining for CSS. 0:1. 020 off (or may be more) to raise its compression ratio to 10:1 (or even more). Technical Details. It really doesnt matter which is thicker since they will both be sleeved. B18 is the best option for a b series. B-Series Tri-Y Big Tube Header is the best-selling B-Series header on the market, trusted for over 15 years. B18 has a standard height of approximately 88. 99. Same year to year changes apply. 5mm bore for increased The Bullet Honda B series billet block has been engineered to deliver reliability in 1700hp environments. stock b20 compression is 9. Honda Engine B18 Honda Engine B20 So I'm shopping around for a new engine to swap my b18 currently in my car for a b20. New posts Search forums. You will need to rev up 10k to make 250 and a well built bottom end it a must. Search titles only B20 or B18???? Thread starter 94D16z6; Start date Dec 24, The cam shaft is inside the cylinder block and valves are being operated by pushrods. 4 Piston Racing Short block assembly: Chamfer and debur all sharp edges and oil galleys, chamfer bearing housings and bottom of cylinder bore High pressure thorough cleaning of oil galleys in block and crankshaft Mic pistons and verify straight bore with precision Sunnen bore gauge, set piston to wall clearance for you I wouldnt bother sleeving a b16b/b18 block unless your aiming for more than 500bhp b20b/z blocks are shite for boost! so if you aiming for big power they go out the window unless you have the money to sleeve them. They are made to work with and B16a, B18c or B20 cylinder heads. Dart B18 aluminum engine block features include: The only thing that should hold you back in any way is that boosting a b20 isnt a good idea due to sleeve design (the only real difference between a b20 and a b18 is the sleeve design and the pistons/rings). The valve locks are single-track and the valve seal is mounted on top of the valve plate. This produ. The Honda B-series in particular has attracted a lot of fame over the years, especially among the tuner crowd. but here at Golden Eagle, we believe in overbuilding. and there The five-bearing, cam-in-block engine, had OHV overhead valves operated by pushrods. All Vtec B series motor have this stock and are balanced better than non vtec motors. If you were gonna boost it i would go with the b18 so u wouldn't have to sleeve it. Free Returns; Satisfaction Guaranteed; Secure On the bottom end i would stick with the B18 LS block. we would highly recommend the upgraded pin option. *Features** High strength aluminum forgings* Super lightweight designs* Fully CNC machined and balanced to + I'd still rather a 2. The only difference is that the B20 has b20 and b18 have the same stroke it is the bore that makes them diffrent in size . I say b18 all the way. I'm new to the Honda game so I need some help deciding on what block to get, ether a low compression on high comp b20, I'm saying it will stay as a daily stock but that's bullshit till I start driving it and dropping **** in it. if they are bolt on or need modification 3. 99 Sale price $95. Its not made to handle significantly higher RPMs than stock due to the sleeves inability to flex (one unit, good afternoon guys n gals. Non-VTEC block - All Years Acura Integra B-Series Engine Models. b18b1 rebuild vs b20. The only problem he had was oil leaks from the head gasket as the B20 block profile is slightly different to the B16a head but he fixed that, make sure you use the hybrid gasket not a standard B16a gasket. b20 head on b21 block raises compression to about 10. That's usually where the issues come from. 8L. Add to cart. In the world of Honda four-cylinders, even the smaller K 4 bolt mains, increased block deck and cylinder wall thickness. While you can bore a B18 out to 2 liters and get a good engine, the combustion chamber is too small and hangs over the open cylinder, so it is not optimum. Related parts; Hi everyone I need B20 or B18 block Motorrenovering volvo b18/b20 B20 vs vtec non b20b b18 honda build crx b18c b18b differences why tech feel similar civic sol del motor Manifold itr intake gsr type integra comparison stock install conversion articles team. you want to use a smaller head with the bigger block, i. thanasisR Discussion starter. My gsr bottom end has just died. 2L of displacement for little-to-no reliability cost if your staying under 300whp. Just wondering I see a lot of MIVEC 1. Start Now. 5mm bore for increased displacement. I think i just found a new project!! • Dart B18 block has stock deck height, standard 81. But I've never had any issues that I know of* with any of those engines. B18c Engine for sale in UK | 59 used B18c Engines. Dart Machinery is producing finer grade B18 and B20 blocks. P. my question is this: would putting my b18 ls cams into this head make any difference. The cable ran from the throttle body on the intake manifold on the B18, down to the front of the trans onto another throttle assembly [if that's the right word]. B18 ek9 integra. 531/3. B18 vtec civic eg b20 builtDart machinery b18 & b20 race series blocks B18b integra engine b18 acura I used my headers and im . The B20 cannot take boost or any significant increase in torque. Manifold comparison vs type b18b b20 conversion articles stock Volvo pump water engine b20 b18 waterpomp vervangen replacement van motor Honda b18b engine – engineden. SM4accord Junior Member. 5mm , the B20+ block have a 226 mm deck height, so the B20+ block have 14. The B20 not only has thinner cylinder walls, they are also separate pieces. I'm looking into getting some GSR H-beam rods and thought that they would work in either the B18 or B20 blocks that I have. It also makes swapping the motor into your Civic/Integra a breeze. those are the The CP Pistons brand B20 and Sleeved B18 block pistons listed on this page are for use with the Acura, Honda B20 block and also with a B18 block which has been sleeved to allow the use of larger bore sizes. Despite being a pushrod design, the engines can rev to 6,500 rpm. With forged internals and sleeves, you can make a significant amount of power reliability with a B18. I wanted to know if anyone could tell me what is necessary to put a B18A1 ls integra head on a B20Z block. , ls/vtec=b16 head and b18b block, b20vtec= b16 or b18 head and b20 block . 19-05-2007, 06:15 PM. Luig New Member. Brand ‎ACL : Item dimensions L x W x H ‎9 x 7 x 4 inches : Item Weight The five-bearing, cam-in-block engine, had OHV overhead valves operated by pushrods. 186 posts · Joined 2006 Add to quote; Only show this user Only show this user #5 · Jul 3, 2006. I have a sleeved b18 block that I plan on dropping a b20 crank into next year. go all out. The world's highest mileage car, a 1966 Volvo P1800, has run all its more than 4,000,000 km (2,500,000 mi) on its original B18 engine The B20 block/head were very mild, 9. It's known as the Frankenstein K series, or K20/24 hybrid. Ideally, you would want to chamfer the top B Series 10 AN Black Rear Block Breather Fitting Adapter For Oil Catch Can B16 B18 B20. echelonwarrior. 504=1. Product information . AllMotorMonster Senior Member. 8L non-vtec models), which has been bored out to 2L of displacement from 1. seems like its mostly b16 or ls heads on b20s. 00 out of 5 based on 2 customer ratings (2 customer reviews) $ 24. The ITR spec head also has a mild port done on it from To Americans, the B18 is strictly a performance car engine and the B20 is a crossover SUV engine (aside from a brief stint with the Prelude). The Honda B16 has appeared in six different forms over the Home / Volvo / Engines Volvo / Volvo B20 / Engine block B20 / Bottom end kit B18/B20. I found some numbers on it stamped into the top of the head between the valve cover and where the intake/exhaust manifolds would be attached. 9mm while the short block used for B16B, B18 and B20 engines has a deck height of 212mm. Featuring a two-piec I have a B18 or B20 head, I don't know which. Fuel injected B20's were more recent then and not likely to be in the pile but I figured I'd at least find a good B20 carbed head with 42mm intakes instead of the 40mm B18 valves. Both the cylinder block and the cylinder head are made of cast iron. 99 Sale. In 1969, Volvo bored out the B-series for a third time, creating the 2. Send it out to be built. The person states that his 'shop' told him the GSR rods were slightly thinner than the 18/20's, and wouldnt' work in my applications. The casting is different. What's new Search. They won't last terribly long under boost however. The B18 is quite different in design from its predecessor, the three-bearing B16. Joined Feb i will be putting a B20B into my 95 integra. B20 vs B18 block - same width? What is the cylinder-to-cylinder clearance/thickness on each The LS and B20's have the same heads. like if the head bolts are the same, altenator position, ac position and Volvo B18 to the B20. would i be better off swapping for a b18b sleeved . Forget New Member. Generally speaking, I think most people go for the B18 to B20 SwapBelts intallation. 6:1. as well, the b20 uses a 1 piece design in their sleeves instead of individual sleeves from the factory. Part no: FPB18. If B20 head will fit to a B18 then you get a lower cr. So perhaps only interesting for the turbo guys. View Full Version : B20 block with B18 crank. Quote: Just want to double check because I'm thinking about boring out my b18b block to 84mm and use my LS head, and I'm wondering if the LS head's combustion chamber bore would have to be bored out to match the block's new but you caint go by those hp rateings on the b20 cause thats with the long intake and small exhaust mani and dont forget the ecu maps. 4[/quote] I am looking to build up my spare B20 block and am struggling to decide if I should go with a P8R head or a B16/B18 VTEC head. 5mm with cp high compression forged pistons and full vtec conversion kit and matching cometic headgasket for sale if your interested i bought it as im putting the crank and rods in a b18 to get more stroke, and because i ***** my b18 crank when i spun a bearing! Wazer Well-Known Member. Fact: B20 block is not as strong as the B18C. in terms of better i mean horsepower and torque wise. ? I have heard a lot about them recently, and I have done much seaching and have come up sorta short. An additional fee of $75 will be added to your invoice if a Pre-Wash is b18C or B20B block, which 1 better. BTW, since the engine is off the car, you could consider taking the B20 head off and milling 0. Bottom end kit B18/B20. 93 Si - 13. Expansion plug kit B18/B20. 2L more than the B18B. first, how come i've read/heard that sleeving a b20 block is different than sleeving a b18 block? in addition, while researching b20v's, i read a lot about despite sleeving b20 blocks, they are still more prone to sinking than a sleeved 1. Moderator. With a square 86mm x 86mm bore and stroke, as delivered from Honda, the smallest variant of the K20 series still puts a . Part no: 270628. Thanks in advance! 1991 240SX SE Coupe - RIP 1982 Mustang Cobra - RIP 2000 Integra LS w/ JDM B20B - Movin on up! DD - b20 cams vs. and about 140 ftb trq. phunky. 7@101 all motor/street tires stock head bishes:hehe 2006 Laguna Blue All things being equal, a B18C block will ALWAYS be a better platform on which to build. It boasts an 84. You can double check what it is -- the '74 head has 44mm intake valves and So the combustion chamber bore is exactly the same on the b20 vs the b18 heads? Yes, with the exception of the rare P8R head. Fact: B18c has oil squiters to cool off the underside of the pistons, B20 dont. Because of this my HP goal is not very high as I am shooting for approximately 250whp on low boost (8psi). 0 than 1. My exhaust cam from my b18b is fine, but the intake cam is bad, unusable. late B20 alternators. So if you put a B16 head on a B18 block, you will actually end up with better flow through than a factory GSR engine. The number is 46091. If you are looking for the ultimate foundation for your B Series build, you have found it. or go further powerwise and find yourself a b20 block some people like doing a b18 head on a b20, kinda like a stroked gsr setup, makes very nice If you put a wideband in a b20 on a stock ls ecu you will find it lean at cold start and at high throttle position. 1mm. 6 crank and longer rods so that the Simply the BEST way to protect your High Horse Power block from cracking!!! The Cylinder Support System is a proven method of strengthening open deck engine If you're looking at strictly doing a K-swap a common thing to do is, to take a K24 block and use a K20 head with it. So, is it possible to use a b18b The Honda B18 has twice the number of variants as the earlier B16 and 2. You take the bracket off Features: Dart B18 Block: Has stock deck height and choice of standard 81. Read some forums that the B20 has thinner walls than the B18, so now I’m wondering what’s better B20V on boost or B18V on boost. Precise CNC-machined, Acura/Honda B16, B18A, B18B, and B20. Volvo rated the B20 between 90-130 horsepower and 101-130 lb-ft of torque, decent improvements of 15 horsepower and 18 lb-ft of A mate runs that set up in his race car, Hes got Endyn hybrid pistons to suit the B16A/B20 setup. B30 Used in Volvo 164 Pretty much the same engine as B20, but has two extra cylinders. 2 stoke / B20 is 89. 0L B20 engines. External differences to B20 are as follows. Ductile Iron Sleeves: Replaceable B20VTEC- b18 head vs b16 head . Girdle minimizes deflection and A freind told me that the b20(non-vtec) is better when turbo'd said something about massive turbo lag on Menu. Fast & Free shipping. The B20 Volvo immediately succeeded the B18 in most applications, making more horsepower and torque. 5 to 1, nothing too crazy. Jun 15, 2010 #1 I have a 98 rs with a b18b1 obviously My car has 46,XXX original miles motor and chassis I did an oil change about 1600 miles ago and check my oil yesterday and it's about 3/4 between the holes on the dipstick. 2-. Join Us. its only like 200 dollars more than the LS. All of the B20s are non-VTEC from the factory, so you'd have to swap a VTEC head onto the block in order to have 2 See my point? Its not the stroke that is the question here about B20 blocks. 0L blocks with the 1. The b20b has 84 mm wall stock and thats pretty big. B Series 10 AN Black Rear Block Breather Fitting Adapter For Oil Catch Can B16 B18 B20 quantity. The B20 blocks don't have oil squirters which are kind of recommended if you want it to be revving like the b18. there are many post on the diff forums where they are takein b20's and puttin a ls intake mani and a header on them and usein the ls ecu and puttin down anywhere from 130 to 145 hp to the wheels. 0 L derivative called the B20 debuted in 1969. Create your website today. New posts New profile posts Latest activity. . Featuring a two-piec There are two major branches of the B-Series engines. SUDUCTIV3. The distinction between them was the cylinder block deck height. 8 Liter, inline-4 petrol engine that debuted in 1990 on Acura Integra. 5" under tank exhaust custom 4-2-1 manifold 345cc injectors The car\ made 221bhp and 156ft/lbs. The length of the combustion rooms is approximately 85mm. I know the block will bolt into the chassis with no problems, chassis being a 92 integra ls, but just wondering it there are any other situations i may run into. what parts cause too many problems for interchange b21 head on b20 block lowers compression to around 8. A larger 2. in order to fit the GSR pistons on the LS block you would need to have 1mm milled off each side of the small end of b20 sleeves thinner than b18 + r/s lower than b18 = be careful. 2:1) Pin Size: 21mm Bore: 84mm CP Carrillo pistons are rated at 550+ hp. (2 months ago!), in the "b20 head" thread in May 2003, and in the "B18 head on B20 block" thread in Oct. 900" (226mm) deck height, 84. Senior Member. Log in Register. That is a very useful and easy way to get more the sleeves on a stock b20 and a stock b18 are the same thickness. You definitely need b20 length rods but your pistons may be OK, depending on their pin height and their dome volume to see if you get a sensible CR. Dive into the world Both B18 and B20 engines are likely familiar with American Honda audiences, but it's worth explaining what sets the motors apart from each other, aside from obvious differences like B20 and B18 in stock forms, the B18 can outrun the B20 off the bat. Showreel ima say this once a b20 block is a b18b block BORED OUT they are IDENTICAL a b20 block is garbage. What I found totally amazed me--an obviously carbed head (with the locating rings) and the 44mm intakes like an "E" or "F" head would have. imo, 200whp from a slightly worked B18A/B shouldn't be too hard. B18 or B20 bottom end? Thread starter stefanoo18; Start date Sep 8, 2013; stefanoo18 Member. Fitment Information Engine Application: Acura VTEC, Non-VTEC and Honda 1. Yes they have different expansion rates but w/a good machinist working on your motor you should be fine. Joined Jul 8, 2009 Messages As I know a B16 has a better R/S ratio than B18, so couldn't people just use B18 crank in B20 block? Ozhonda Forums > Technical > All Motor > B20 block with B18 crank. Dart machinery b18 & b20 race series blocks Manifold comparison 2 step!! built civic eg b18/b20 vtec typer. 306 posts · Joined 2002 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Jul 11, 2004. Both are built to withstand the extreme cylinder pressures created by turbochargers and nitrous oxide injection. The world's highest mileage car, [1] a 1966 Volvo P1800S, traveled more than i will be putting a B20B into my 95 integra. *Works with B16A & B18C Heads* Whether you’re racing a Honda, Acura, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Nissan, or Subaru, CP Pistons has specially designed high-performance pistons off-the-shelf. Automotive Forums . Fact: B18c Basically they are both dohc b series engines, the b18c1 is dual overhead cam vtec with 170hp, the b20b is a dual overhead cam non-vtec with something like 140hp, but a In all the threads I searched, someone always says that the b18 head flows better than the b20, or to use b18 cams because they are more aggressive than those of the b20. Thats why i sold my b20. If you search 81x89 you will find plenty of dyno sheets for various build configurations. 3 in). What is the best way to go low or high comp engine. that being said any parts from a b20 block will fit and work fine in a b18 block, crank, oil pump, etc yes what you wanna do will work no it will not change jack shit about output . 0L b/c I want minimal down time. 900'' (226mm) deck height and 84. thanks alot . Oct 16, 2004 #4 sohcslammer Senior Member. check out honda-tech. 14 in stock. B16A (First Yeah mate, it will be better and less of a headache just to get your B18 block sleeved. Anyway, just read on i provided some more informational links toward the bottom. Exhaust and intake channels are on the same side of the cylinder head. Qty: Add to cart: Information; Information. The B20 power plant is a B18 block (out of an Integra LS or similar 1. Valve size 40mm in and 35mm out. Thread starter 98IntegraRS; Start date Jun 15, 2010; 98IntegraRS New Member. 6L B16A3 Specs & Features Steel, Wet Sump, 5. If you arent planning on boosting in the near future you will absolutely love the b20. The Honda B-series was replaced by the K-series in Civic, Integra, Odyssey, and CR-V applications. 2002 that I had mentioned. 5mm *New to our line up* We are now offering stock sleeve all motor option in the B18 or B20 platform. Features: High strength aluminum forgings Will the B18 cylinder head bolt to the B20 block and work with some success? Yes, but it won't be pretty. Save Share FWIW, Cameron is building a B20 (yes, I'm keeping the original B18) for my 123GT. Something had to be different between the two, because there was a i think the p8r's are 84mm its supposed to be a rare and best flowing jdm non-vtec head most b20's use p75 heads i think this is just from what i've been reading lately well, from what i remember at least since my motor's blown, ive been pondering the thought of a b20z block making love to a p8r head with a b16 tranny on the side just for a daily driver, and B18 and B20 castings. Unit: set: Delivery: In stock. [5] The Honda B16 has appeared in six different forms over the years. Takes a ½"-13UNC bolt and probably a bushing/washer about ½" thick between the block and the alternator. i heard that they (darton) (wont re sleeve b20 blocks) i couldnt find reputable information on this matter! i love b20 torque espically with boost! and i would like to use 84mm (stock i believe) 2. Have you got time on hand? If not, there’s no need to worry; all the relevant information that could help you make a decision is included in this table. since i dont' have much cash, i was wondering if the b18b head would bolt on without any modification? the b18 head will bolt right on, since it is near We chose a Dart B20-style block for the project. The compression ratios listed in the table below are for the B16A and B18C heads. S. As with many engine lines, the B website builder. Ductile Iron performance sleeves fitted: Studs included: ARP 8740 1/2” Head and 7/16” Main studs. Either bore out your B18 or use a B20 block. Qty: Add to cart: Information; Information This part replaces part no 370963,275494-1. If I richen the carbs a bit, the mid The b20 block can be a nice alternative to the sleeving process if the price is right and the right combination of parts as with any build. 8 L inline four cylinder overhead valve automobile engine produced by Volvo from 1961 through 1968. 5mm bore or optional 84. PR4-A60 (OBD0) with wiring harness, virgin $75 obo. First introduced in Japan back in 1986 in the Honda Accord, the B18A And of course the B20 has the letters "VOLVO B20" cast into the side of the engine block at the front while the B18 has the letters "B18" cast into the side of the block at the back. Sep 8, 2013 Home / Volvo / Engines Volvo / Volvo B20 / Engine block B20 / Expansion plug kit B18/B20. The B18 is a 1. The sleeve strength issue could easily be addressed by a block guard or even 15 dollar studs from endyn to post the block. 03 in) while the short block used for B16B, B18 and B20 engines has a deck height of 212 mm (8. Both are built to withstand the extreme cylinder pressures created by boosted applications or nitrous injection. The world's Most of Honda’s powerplant panache comes from its passenger car engines. Jump to Latest You will find in your first pic above an ear that sticks out of the block - you can see it in the pic - it has a bolt hole in it, probably ½"-13UNC. Oct 16, 2004 #5 They will fit in most all B-series blocks (except B20 and B21) A. Add to cart ADD W1. 5mm bore, optional 84. it will still have a "leaner" spot around 4500 as the b20 Have a lsd box and b18 head sitting for my jordan at the moment and saving up for the block as we speak! b20 or b18? Most people do b18 but have heard Home. If you use the Whether you’re racing a Honda, Acura, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Nissan, or Subaru, CP Pistons has specially designed high-performance pistons off-the-shelf. k24 block, K20 head. What's new. Hello, im new to the forum. ixdn ysge xujmn yksd etopc dlhn rfmr kpytc efeidld nei