N570 vs retumbo I bet my local place can get 570, and I know they have 8133. 5x284’s, but using proportionately{by about 20gr), lower charge weights. For now I’m sticking with N570. Joined Jan 10, 2015 Messages 127 Reaction score 11 Points 18. I have n570 and 568 to try once my barrel appears . I did notice accelerated throat erosion with the N570 though. That case size with heavies, 8133 is a good choice, it sits between Retumbo and N570. IMR 8133. I tried 869, RL33, LRT, 20N29 and Retumbo but just couldn’t get velocity and accuracy I was looking for. Vol1975; Jan 12, 2020; 3 4 5. So I have a fierce rival carbon xp 24 in barrel waiting on delivery. Click to expand What did Quickload tell you for those examples. ADG brass SD is consistently under 5 fps and es is always in single digits. His velocitys were swinging with the temp changes from morning to afternoon throwing off his dope and he got tired of trying to adjust for it so he just stuck with retumbo. N568 excels with heavy-for-caliber projectiles and provides Retumbo and H1000 would be fine for this. 5 moa and good es numbers. I've always liked h1000 and retumbo. Reactions: Double Dropper and duramax. Narrowed it down to Retumbo and us 869. Attachments. Judging results in the 300 norma with 230s, 8133 has slower velocity than RL33 & N570, but only 50-60fps or so. I did get about 100+ FPS difference in a 300 WM FWIW. DENWA. It is exactly between H1000 and Retumbo. 5 gr Retumbo 215M 2950 fps H4350 is a faster burning powder and is used a lot in . I decided to develop a load for my TRG with the Hornady 285 ELD-M and Retumbo , and settled on the longest feed-able length I could make work reliably - 3. H4831sc also shot 0. Joined Mar 10, 2021 Messages 5,864 I'll be heading to Colorado for 3rd rifle in November. They also have RL33 and IMR 8133. Some customers dont N series powders, only have a certain kind at home for later, or some rifles are finicky wenches and like weird stuff. There is lots of retumbo. Even their own load data shows it's not really N570 in speed, it's somewhere between N565 and N570, but temp stable like N565. Thread starter motrapper; Start date Feb 15, 2022; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. Both RL 26 and N570 did not perform well for this bullet. Mar 2, 2023 #2 NV HUNTER WKR. Retumo has been an all around winner for me in several cartridges. 3 grains at 2707 fps. 5 creedmoor or . It just makes sense that you got more velocity from N570 than Retumbo with less pressure. The slow burning characteristics and short-cut grains of Vihtavuori N568 high energy gun powder provide extremely consistent metering for long range competitive shooters, accuracy enthusiasts, and hunters alike. The powders are produced by Nammo Vihtavuori Oy. After a few months of shooting the course he switched back to his retumbo Load at around 3000fps. 2 83. Dec 24, 2018. Joined Oct 14, 2007 Messages 621 Location Sandy Utah. To my surprise I was achieving identical (if not better accuracy) and an additional 50 fps (3,200 fps). Let’s start with the 100 series. It is a 1/8 twist and I'm looking to shoot both the 250 A-Tips as well as the 245 EOLs. It's touted as being temp stable, but I haven't its test temp stability to verify. Same for RL33 which would If you want a temp stable powder in the same slow magnum burn rate, H1000 and Retumbo are what's available. 0 65000 15867 1. I'm heavily dependant on retumbo. 0 grains compressed running 3065 fps, no signs of pressure. What do you like about N570 vs LRT that you'd stay with N570? Slightly more velocity? Last edited: Oct 21, 2021. 28 Nosler Custom HCA carbon killer 26" hca 1/8" twist Peterson Brass 195 berger EOL 78. Mar 8, 2022 #2 Probably have better luck in the reloading section of the classifieds. With our low price guarantee, we strive to offer the lowest everyday prices on the best brands and latest gear. First things first I used Lapua Brass FL sized, Winchester LRM primer (the only ones I could find), and 250gr SMKs. 300 rums and I only load 200 gr Accubonds either 91. My numerical burn rate chart shows this below. I agree that if you do it, buy enough for the barrel and run it. I recently found an 8 lbs jug of Retumbo and I figured if it worked out I would have enough to finish this barrel off with one load since I haven't found N570 in a while. N570 really shines in the ES/SD area. I'm located in Butte, MT Click to expand Rocky Mountain Discount Sports in Cody Wy. hawkinsprecision. Retumbo was getting hard to get before the Covid hit and and now its **** near impossible!!!. Thread starter Rem81; Start date Jan 5, 2019; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. Used 100g Retumbo most of the time, but now 103g of N570 about -. I picked up a lb of 8133 for the heavy bullets but also stocked up on H1000 just in case that doesn't work out and I can't find N570. I'll be using a 27" 9 twist barrel. 0 grain interval. Now the N565 is also a good choice. Which of the above is the least temp Mainly trying to decide between H1000 and Retumbo. It was a good thing for me because there was always some Retumbo on a shelf somewhere back in those days. R. just got 4 cases of Retumbo. 215s should do better than 3000 in your rifle w/ N565 or N570. About $50/pound. It makes a truly I tried 869, RL33, LRT, 20N29 and Retumbo but just couldn't get velocity and accuracy I was looking for. Given that powders like Retumbo, H1000, and RL26 are known to work well in 6. David Emerson. I remember 15 years or so ago, alot of folks didn't like it for some reason. So throat erosion is more with N570. I'm stopping because I'm now shooting 390s and they like RL50 - but I'm also going back to Retumbo for the 350s because: harder than heck to get - no news Don't have the rifle anymore and didn't keep the load info so I can't post exactly what the difference was but going off memory I lost 10fps off extreme and 4fps off standard going to N570 vs Retumbo. 65WSM Well-Known Member. I'm sure it'll be accurate. Please see the picture below of the 94. I have found similar relationship between the two powders in my 6. It's 100 fps faster than H1000, 75 more than Retumbo, and 50 more than 8133. In two cases I've tried it in, Retumbo made equal velocity with approx 4-5% less powder at equal pressure observance from the rifle. Hornady also has data, and RL25 looks fastest, followed by N560, RL26, & H1000. Haven't used Magnum, TAC or LRT so can't comment. com Reply. 68” COAL. 5 at impressive velocities. Joined Sep 2, 2019 Messages 2,372 Location Komifornia. 5 fps. Jan 29, 2020. I took H1000 numbers and added them to Retumbo numbers and divided by 2 for a starting point of 75gr with a 215gr 67. If I try it later, I’ll add it. I have a decent stockpile, but always looking for new load data. TxLite WKR. And N570 is 2 grains more than H1000. A-Tips are more than happy to jump. Get access to live stream, lessons, the post exchange, and chat with other snipers. Have to alter loads by 3 grains depending on the lot and burn rate. I just sold a N570 has been doing great in my 18” with 180 hybrids. 6gr Vihtavuori N570: 3240FPS/17. There is no doubt in my mind I could achieve 3,300 fps with this powder if I wanted to. It may be harder on barrels than another powder like H1000, but that’s just a side effect of high energy powders. Just tried it for the first time today. TriggerTime426 Well-Known Member. HONEYBADGER Well-known member. Wish I could find some N570 And to the original poster= have you considered H4831SC ? It's one of my favorites for similar cartridges So barrel life is not nearly as critical. Lot to lot is crazy. Well we all have used this at sometime. So the N570 vs. Jan 21, 2024; Thread Starter #3 OP . Your PRC should be about there with +p. From what I am seeing, the N570 is being in a lot of the Magnums. snowcreekkennels Well-Known Member. Reactions: Calvin45, WYO300RUM, TXTrained and 3 others Reason I bring this up is I really would prefer to run Retumbo (temp stability) vs the RE33. If neither comes available by the time I get the rifle it will be retumbo I know there's a 28 page thread on the 300 PRC but I'm done trying to wade through it Looking for data and velocity with 225's, 215's, and 230's using N570 and RL26 in a 300 prc. LRH Supporter. I am a died in the wool . It usually tells me to go fish! Ba is only part of the answer for will it work. I know N570 is the powder, and he's shooting 195s out of one of his MOA rifles. In one pounders() They would only let me get two pounds of each per day. Search titles only By: Search Advanced search Search titles only . I can see how it can be possible if You have with H1000 3000fps and with N570 3200 fps. Apr 24, 2023 #10 H. DoubleGobble00 said: Hey there all, I’m a hunter and getting into some longer range shooting. The larger bullets will still do great with these powders and will allow the use of slower powders like N570. Been playing with my 7PRC trying to find a load that I’m happy with. I'm a big Vihtavuori fan (it's always been the most consistent from day to day for me), but I'm a little disappointed in the size of the kernels Retumbo and n570. I have used it for the last couple rifles I have had. If you want a bit more barrel life, slow them down and go H1000. Like to try it in a 300 rum with 230 bergers soon. Stay tuned for this, as well as additional bullet testing Retumbo worked best for me pushing 190 a tips at 3100 fps. 4gr @ 3. Jun 18, 2020 RS Magnum or ACC Magpro might replace RL 26 or Retumbo RS LRT or ACC 8700 might replace N570 ETC. 0 and 84. H50 is too slow and works better once you hit the 377gr or heavier (like the MTAC/Laser). Aug 4, 2021 #49 D. Clearly Hodgdon needs to come out with a extreme powder in burn Thanks for the N570 load data Huntnful! We have very similar rifles. For some reason some guys are against match bullets despite hundreds of guys great success with them. Jan 3, 2024 #24 Double Dropper Member. I have a some RL26, RL33 and a couple pounds of Retumbo to experiment with. curtiscd Well He was using a 28Nosler running the 195s at 3070fps with RL33. T. I have shot incredible groups with this combo and the gen 1 300 grain bergers 30 thousands off, for what its worth. 047 off lands). It shoots fantastic in my 7 rem mag. Lapua Brass, CCI 250 primers. 7977 is pretty close to 1000 and 8133 is closer to Retumbo. 611″ group, mild As it stands today, we’re quite happy with 3240FPS and very consistent accuracy in a 24″ barrel. Using 210 and 215 Berger’s, Generally running 2890-2910 with 76gr H1000 and 2960-2980 with 79gr Retumbo, both max, <. Wish I could find some N570 And to the original poster= have you considered H4831SC ? It's one of my favorites for similar cartridges I dont have any 156s yet but have always gotten best velocities and acceptable es using retumbo in my 6. 5 MOA. Anyone have data that they have gotten that fps with these powders? I'm at 600 ft elevation I'm looking for the 3 ghosts, H1000 Retumbo or N570. Joined Jan 24, 2018 Messages 10 And at a decent price I think. BlazerBeam; Oct 375 CBE lasers looking to use powders on hand RL33 RL50, Retumbo, H50, Thanks Vince . Unfortunately 33 is the only one I’ve been able to find consistently locally. Kind of seems like people favor the retumbo and I'm leaning that way. Short Story: (1) Which rifle? MRAD vs. 9% fill volume 73gr max charge 100% burnt R26 (don’t have) 2737 fps 93% fill volume 67gr max charge Anywhere between 80-90F you will likely experience pressure/velocity spikes with R26. 1; 2; N570 is pretty good stuff, havent seen any extra errosion (sure there is standard creep) in my Norma but dont borescope either. B. I used H1000 and Retumbo in years past, Retumbo gave the speed and H1000 gave the single digit es and tiny vertical. 5 Tetumbo powder. Tikka action 22” Proof Shop for Hodgdon Retumbo Smokeless Rifle Powder at Cabela’s, your trusted source for quality outdoor sporting goods. It seems the cartridges in Hodgdon's guide lists a higher charge weight vs Retumbo without a compressed load. I'm saving the N570 for monolithic's. 230 Berger over N570 @ 2917fps in I've been searching a little on HD. Had H1000 but gone. Want #154 Retumbo (can't find) Maybe sub with #151 RL26 or #156 N570 Any thoughts, suggestions that you may have if you own any of the three builds listed for powders used and load data. 5-284 Win and 8133 in my 28. Bfish22 Lil N570 has been available fairly often if you watch the distributors like a hawk. Joined Mar 7, 2013 I decided to develop a load for my TRG with the Hornady 285 ELD-M and Retumbo , and settled on the longest feed-able length I could make work reliably - 3. Switchback2 Well-Known Member. Between H- 4350, 4831, 1000 and Retumbo I can normally find a great load for most of the cartridges I shoot. I'm running H1000 in mine with the 212 eld-x and getting great groups. 0g of N560 at 2800 fps at 0. Want to give it a try in the 264 win mag Search. I have noticed that once the barrel breaks in (most barrels between 100-150 rounds) it also will build pressure with less powder. Any help will be gladly appreciated Thanks Matt 66. I'll be there tomorrow though. N570 tops out at 75. I picked up some 300gr atip. 143 over SAAMI, ~0. 5MOA/<20ES. Also, as expected no such data for 300wsm but does list Staball 6. Here are my thoughts. Rifle: CustomAction: Terminus Kratos Some of the powders they tried were StaBALL HD, Magnum, LRT, Retumbo, H4831, & IMR7828SSC. Joined Apr 13, 2015 Messages 115. 2 5. I get a little better than that at 2845 FPS with N570, but that is a RUM. I know as great as re33 might be, its non existent in bulk form unless you are already stocked up pre-covid. Then it goes weird. 434 COAL 2954 fps ave . Joined Feb 18, 2016 Messages 285. 5 - 2886fps ejector mark. Did some searching and up here n570, rl33 and retumbo are about the same per pound, but rl33 is the hardest to get. I haven't even tried it yet in new barrel ! N570 was so accurate and low ES and SD. Currently testing 180VLD, also picked up a few boxes of 180 ELD-M. I have been using Retumbo with the 195s but recently ran out. Joined Mar 28, 2020 Messages 179 Location Hull IA. Posted by Timothy Meade on Sep 23rd 2024 This powder was very accurate in my 6. Did find some Viht N565 and it's inbound, but I'm IMR Enduron 7977 or 8133. wapitibob said: not my load Retumbo (have) 2736 fps 104. 5's like a 6. Plenty of load data between my 3 apps to safely work up. I talked to berger the other day and they had the best velocities for the prc and 284 with retumbo and n570, i know everyone thinks that they are too slow for these cartridges but my results have shown otherwise. My findings were that it was very comparable to N570 with temp stability One thing. Collected a fair amount among with N,565. Mar 24, 2023 #9 B. Testing included varying the seating depth and powder charges. This was a I have plenty of N570 and Retumbo and I should be able to match the velocity or maybe even get a little more, but will I see any improvement in accuracy with these powders? Viht 570 is a real supercharged powder, excellent for longer barrels to push the 300 grainers at top velocities. The H1000 loads were five round groups at 300yds and the Retumbo loads were three round groups at 200yds. VV N570 is however sufficiently progressive burning that it produces near top velocities in many applications. Or if anyone has a dirty little source for Retumbo, RL33, or N570 lol. Joined Jun 21, 2017 Messages 497 Location nv. Joined IMR 8133 vs N570. I’d like to try retumbo also. Any input on N570 vs RL33? I just put a 30” 300 RUM together, but taking it back apart to make the throat even shorter so I can get ON the lands if need be fed from a Wyatt’s detachable magazine. IMR 8133 is advertised as being temp stable, but that appears Anyone have any experience shooting 215 Bergers ad N570 in the 300 RUM? I am running 230 Bergers at 3165 with N570 and no pressure in my 300 RUM. 68” ran 3,146fps out of a factory 26” Rem700 Sendero. What's new. 0721. I think there should be some place holders between the upper end powders to show that. Thatonekid; Apr 24, 2018; Replies 1 Views 1K. I know of a couple guys who'd It is nowhere near as overbore as the other chamberings in the data. H1000, retumbo, N570, rl Just curious if you see much difference in the 7 prc compared to the 300wm with bullets in this weight. Great speeds with 180s in 7 stw. H1000 debate is less important of a factor. Joined Retumbo H1000 Previously I have had velocities for 84. H1000 in this rifle was . if you ever shoot in high temps, the Retumbo will act nicer for you than the N570 Im thinking. Yes, you read that right. 300 RUM loads especially if any of you are loading with N570. I have n570 h1000 and retumbo on hand. Here's 30 Nosler. The speed from n570 is nice if it shoots but in my rifle, with that bullet it was a no go. AXMC vs. 5". I'm stopping This will be my 9th season with this rifle and probably about 1000 rounds and N570 seems to have been giving me my best consistency and velocity to date. I wondered where the make their powder. Joined Aug 24, 2013 Messages 776. I bought a 300PRC which I can’t really load with my existing powder. N570 RL33 Retumbo N565 H1000 IMR8133 IMR7977 . How is the temperature stability? And how is it comparing to H100 and Retumbo? I know this post is a little dead, but I'm interested in the 8133 Vs n570. This year I'm going to try Retumbo. Sand Man Well-Known Member. N165 will work with both the 250's and the 300's and although I used Retumbo in the Rums for years and it produced better velocity than h1000 with respectable es. 743" ( 0. 0 n570 load vs the 92. Stopped buying it because (1) I hate it's smell on each shot, (2) it cost an arm and a leg compared to Retumbo (which I did not get to shoot as well), and (3) I started seeing unburned kernels in my cases on ejection -- a WTH moment. My 30 nosler is getting accuracy @ 3050 w/ H1000, 3125 w/ N570 or RL26. Between Rl 26 and the N570 can any body give me their thoughts on which powder they prefer. 120” jump. 5 so fingers crossed this will settle in and finalize things. ŠczYçæùD«mÜ‘498Ñjµ‰¦Lv«ˆïÅ µa0$_x-×x^`š¤ÓspU&ðK[ b :ÔEÆ Txð”5M¶á , Éæï{¥Ó} ¨CÙ —g©« ?À¹N¿ W s|ú¸Nû ª íM0ñ$›‰÷r–¨W ÖÿÂú Å©ˆ“Æ¬iÔ After some searching and deduction, I'm thinking slower than Retumbo. Retumbo is cooler burning too. Posted by Wesley Mulkey on Aug 4th 2024 Retumbo shot it a little more then H1000 but not much started at 72gr - 2701fps 77. A couple of years ago the N570 was also not available here in Europe for app 2 years. JJMoody Well-Known Member. Joined Mar 7, 2013 Messages 124 Location Colleyville, TX. I'd consider it the best substitute available. I'm pushing 215 Bergers at 3240 fps. Feb 15, Looking for loads and velocity with N570 and RL26 in a 300 PRC with 225's and 215's, or similar weights. I switched to it in my 300 RUM. I have a load for my 338 using the 285gr eldm its going near 2850 fps with rl25. I live off of I-20 East of Atlanta - West of Augusta, GA. Powders include H1000, N565, H4831SC, RL23, and Retumbo. Both are temp stable. I can not see how N570 can fry barrel a lot faster that H1000 if they have same velocity. Retumbo and N570. Reactions: countrykang8, Remington Jim, JoshHaker and 2 others. H4831sc was I use N570 (but not in 28 nosler) In my test from -5 to 23 Celsius it moves 2. N570 for retumbo. Would love to hear some of you guys favorite . Retumbo is what we used in the 7 PRC for the Nightforce ELR match, and it shot great under the 190 grain Hornady A-Tip bullet. 300 Win Mag fan boy Home. 5859D841-072D-43F3-AD44 If you want a temp stable powder in the same slow magnum burn rate, H1000 and Retumbo are what's available. Joined Apr 1, 2015 Messages 1,877 Location North Idaho. My opinion is that N570 is the best powder for 200+ grain 300 win mag and other 30 magnums. 3 grain increment, got to 84. H1000, retumbo, N570, rl I used N570 in my 338LM and then 338 Edge. Looking to buy . I have done exactly what your thinking but for a 28 Nosler. Velocity will fall right in between the other powders. 5 grains N570 with 2815 fps. 9 87. Just wondering why it's not more popular. Not that any elk will know the difference between a bullet starting at 3100fps or 2900fps out to 1000 yards. I just bought 32 lbs of H1000 the same week N570 came anybody in the everett/seattle area willing to trade a lb of n570 for a lb of retumbo? contact Allan at 425 422 0104. I loaded them . H1000, retumbo, N570, rl 26, magnum powders. Or go to N570 and see how it does. Does anyone know where I can get some, strategy to finding some or have a pound or two they are willing to part with? I don’t even mind paying more than Trying to decide on a powder for 300 gr projos for the . I read some horrible accounts of RL-26 at high temps with near max N570 is a high energy powder and is said to be harder on barrels. Joined Sep 6, 2018 Messages 2,050 Location Texas. tmmcampbell; Dec 24, 2018; Replies 6 Views 5K. I have tried rl26, 23, h1000, h4831sc, retumbo, n560, n565, n570 in the 3 rifles I have had. It’s a very full case but no signs of overpressure. Norma 217 may be another option. Seems like they are made for each other. I settled on 66. 243 and the smaller 6. Not really pertaining to the cartridges mentioned but when I put new barrel on my 300 RUM I started out with N570. 0SD, . 60” and 3. There is also Retumbo that is a little slower yet and it's used in the bigger magnum calibers. Looking forward to trying out N570 and information is hard to come by. But surely is a slower burn rate. Clicker was now gone, primer looks great, and the rifle seemed to recoil smoother. Worked up in 0. Hello all, I recently did some testing with N570 in my Savage 110BA 338 Lapua. For barrel life. 5x284s with the berger 140s. Also looking to trade H4350, CFE-223 & H100V for Varget, Retumbo, & H1000. I have settled on the low node with H1000 and 180 Hybrids at 2895 fps out of a 26” barrel. 5 Retumbo. If you want a laser beam elk crusher, N570 is your ticket to stardom. 5 MOA This is an optimal charge weight test done on a custom bolt-action rifle using the components and equipment tested below. Test at 8960 ft above sea level and temp was around 30-35 I have got my hands on some H1000 and some retumbo. Joined Apr 17, 2013 Messages 16,380 Reaction score 13,328 Points 113 123gr N570 with a 300gr sierra . N570 was close to 100 fps faster. Cross your fingers. #5 TxLite WKR. Rem81 Well-Known Member. It appears to me more like n570 only you can put more in the case . Excellent velocity and accuracy, was my go-to powder for a while. I have an 8lb jug of N570 and was curious if anyone has experience using this with some 180 class Berger’s in the 7prc. I want to make full use of the barrel switching / caliber switching capabilities of the rifle system, and If you’re not hung up on the N5XX powders, Retumbo might also be worth a shot. Info on the 245s has been a bit scarce from PRC shooters thus far. Sounds good thank you. Any data on other powders would be awesome too Thanks Those two powders have a lot more energy than N568. Would love to see what others are having success with. Reactions: huntinghuasna, HawkinsPrecision, JAYgs8163 and 2 others. The flame temp is hotter than H1000. I think the first trial will be in my 7 max with the 180 gr Berger VLD. In Retumbo in 7mm RM with 160-180gr bullets is an awfully hard combo to beat. May 19, 2019 #6 hseII Member. 5 gr Retumbo 215M 2950 fps I dont have any 156s yet but have always gotten best velocities and acceptable es using retumbo in my 6. I’ve got the next ladder test loaded up for between 81-84. Joined Sep 6, 2018 Messages 2,043 Location Texas. Now there was a difference between altitude and temp compared to the first testing I did. Barehandlineman11 Well-Known Member. BB401 Active Member. I'm trying to get to 2950 fps with Berger 156 eols. Aug 26, 2018 #2 Broz LRO Owner~Editor~Long Range Hunting Specilist. Now I build rifles based on if H1000 will work. 5 CM, with the West Texas Ordnance SwitchLug system. I got pressure with all of the powders as velocity approached 2,800 FPS. If you can round up more H1000 I would try it. Reactions: danj and 338 dude. I also think that the market is pushing new products instead of supplying the old standbys. thanks to all! Reply. As mentioned, it’s a single-base powder. Forums. 0 grains, the difference from the retumbo load was astounding. Reactions: mtmuley. 2800 will probably be all she does, especially in Hornady brass, adg might get 2850-2875 top end. motrapper Well-Known Member. Lots of good powders between 565, 570 (24"+ barrel), staball HD, retumbo, 26, H1k. Below pressure. Has anyone tried N560 or Retumbo with the 156 Berger as I have both of these powders. Does anyone have the latest load data from Hornady (manual) about Retumbo was getting hard to get before the Covid hit and and now its **** near impossible!!!. Capt Usually if you have a H1000 load, Retumbo is another grain. 010 with 300 Berger EH for 3030 fps. At 118-125g of powder per shot, at just N570 was about 100-120fps faster at the same pressure and produced the best groups at max charge but the es wasnt the best and groups were . I recently ran across a small reloading shop that had 10lb of n570, so I bought it all. 300 PRC with the 225 Grain ELD-M. 5-300’s but as others said it can be rough on throats. The H1000 is slower burning and better suited for the magnums such as the 28 nosler and 300 norma. RL-26 or H1000 for 200 gr bullets. Thanks for the N570 load data Huntnful! We have very similar rifles. I tried HD Staball, N560, H4831sc, and Retumbo. S. 300PRC vs. But yes R26 will get you higher velocity. 5-284, that may serve as a starting point for figuring things out. In the pics it’s not a fair comparison. cartridge that normally only works to it's best with powders like US 869, RL33 (bad on throats) H50BMG and 24n41. did a quick 5 shot test group with 96. I live in KC, so the Hodgdon HQ is close. N570 177 hammers 82 grains I'm just curious whether anyone can say if 570 might be a closer match to R33 for velocities than what Retumbo typically is, for example. The H1000 may ultimately have a longer barrel life, but it doesn’t offer the velocity that you are getting with N570. Veteran Well-Known Member. Retumbo works, but is slow in velocity. Sep 2, 2018 #11 C. Found best accuracy with 76. My best results with precision, ES/SD, and velocity with the 230 in the RUM came with N570. Oct 8, 2019 #1 As title says. All of the above listed, have safe charges up to 2800 and beyond. Thread starter Barehandlineman11; Start date Sep 1, 2020; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member There seems to be really good results and lots of info using 565, and H 1000. New posts I load for five different . 030” OL 2. I just picked up 2 8lb jugs of n570 and didn’t have RifleShooter readers will be most interested in centerfire rifle propellants, which include the N120 to N170 line—a single-base gunpowder known for outstanding precision—and the N520 to N570 line, a double-based propellant engineered to produce maximum velocities. B The Retumbo will be used in a 7mm rm 24" inch barrel with a 162 gr projectile. N565 in 6. Shop for Hodgdon Retumbo Smokeless Rifle Powder at Cabela’s, your trusted source for quality outdoor sporting goods. I'd start at 88 grains I used N570 in my 338LM and then 338 Edge. I have two questions here. For example I run 93 grains H1000 in my edge with 300 grain Bergers. H1000 also seems to be a staple for the prc. 5gr - 2815fps 1/2 MOA ES 23-38; COAL:3. Initial testing for the 250-grain bullet showed Retumbo providing initial group of 1 moa while H1000 provided 1 moa over 2. I have heard of good results with n570, Retumbo and RL26. My load development for my 28 nosler has been performed in TX, average temps in the 90's. Berry228 Well-Known Member. Does anyone have the latest load data from Hornady (manual) about You guys should try retumbo for bullets around the 350gr weight in the CT. I’m running 7977 in my sons 6. Am in the process of trying to get my hands on some 195's for my Firebird, and seriously considering N570 as a powder instead of Retumbo. 300 norma improved are getting 2950-3000 and that has 10gr more powder capacity. Is there a downside to large firing pins, especially for the larger cartridges? I want to avoid pierced primers. I've built a couple of the 7 prc's now and have reached 3000 fps with 180gr Berger's with both N565 and Retumbo in Ive run H1000, H4831sc, Retumbo, N560, N565 and N570 in the 7prc. I think I fully mined that thread as of today (11/27/19) but if I missed any please plug them in or post your own load data. I’ve been looking at imr 8133, and n570 but of course can’t get my hands on any . As good as this load shot (1/4-1/2 moa precision with ease). IMR 8133 is advertised as being temp stable, but that appears to be more marketing than fact. Also suggested to me was VV N570 (also non-existent), Retumbo in contrast has a VMD of . RELOAD SWISS: This new high quality brand from Switzerland offers two new powders: RS12 (for IPSC) and RS36. All I’ve used is Hornady 220s and N570 between 91. 0 grains of n570 to check for velocity consistency. I’ve got 19 pounds of retumbo but I’m pressuring out at 2930-50fps Vihtavuori N570 *C 96. Retumbo vs imr 8133. 75 to 1 moa. 9 gr N570. 676 CBTO 3. I'll be using a 27" 9 twist 5R barrel. 345 ! Near Maximum ! Alliant Reloder-33 *C 97. N570 has huge kernels and is a pita to get into a case mouth without bridging and would not throw in any powder thrower I tried. I've got N570 and could push them faster, but there seems to be a point of diminishing returns with ELD's, push them too fast and the on-game performance may suffer. I will get on a waiting list for bolth rl33 and n570 and whichever one comes in first will get the nod. 0 Magpro performance VS Retumbo H1000 RL26. had an es Forums. Reactions: Earnhardt. Reloader 26 Reloader 25 H1000 Retumbo Ramshot Magnum N570 Looking at reaching 2800 FPS in my 26" . Retumbo and H1000 were selected as the powder for follow up testing. Better extreme temp protection than N570. I get great accuracy with it. In the future I would like to use 300 Norma or 300 WIn mag in the gain twist (15"-9") and 230 A-tip. Might get better velocity with retumbo but as I understand it H1000 can be a bit cleaner and more consistent as well as temp insensitive. D. I have a lot of Retumbo powder for my 375 Chey Tac and am about to start load development on a 338 LM Savage I just picked up with a 1:9 twist. Makes sense. Nov 12, 2020 #10 bdyal1972 said: N570 is pretty good stuff, havent seen any extra errosion (sure there is standard creep) in my Norma but dont borescope either. After going back to the drawing board, retumbo produced a 1/4moa load at 2789fps that has been confirmed out to 1670 yards in drops using only 89 grains of retumbo, cci250 primers, and nosler brass. 3220 fps ES 7fps packs a wallop on swamp donkeys sounds like its close to retumbo I run N570 & 180s in my stw. Haven't tried H1000 in this barrel because the N570 did so well. So barrel life is not nearly as critical. and velocity. 65 3032 100. 94. Mar 20, 2020 #9 I just got 2 lbs of N-570 from Powder Valley and all I can say is this is the worst handling powder I've ever dealt with. Joined Sep 19, 2016 Messages 30 Location East Texas. C. I see it costs a couple more dollars. Below was today test load of N570 82 gr . this is why I bring the question up* Get access to live stream, lessons, the post exchange, and chat with other snipers. Velocities recorded using a LabRadar. Jul 25, 2017 Some context: Have a switch barrel short action MPA BA rifle in 6. 4 and 94. Huge difference between temperatures in Texas and at 10,000'+ in Colorado this time of year. Is worth about 50-75 fps additional velocity over H1000 and Retumbo with the same components. The kernels are too LARGE. It seems to have more sensitivity than the other V V's listed. Apr 12, 2024 #50 S I don't believe it is. N570 was faster but groups weren’t as consistent. Reactions: TxLite. Apr 25, 2018. I would drop down a bit with H1000. Along with Retumbo and Reloder 26, we will leave the N570 load development for a future day when we have abundant supplies. I setup a ladder test with retumbo but I got alot of pressure into the second group and a 2" spread so I just canned that ladder test. 01 off the lands. Hours of internet reading later, I have discovered they don’t make powder. No N570 or RL26. I get great velocities with it out of my Sherman and also out of a 22-284. I got the load data from Berger and they recommended RL33, retumbo, H1000, or N570. I've found that it's a great replacement for Retumbo and almost always gives better performance. That's why it's interesting to N170 Retumbo Magnum N570 RS80 SP 13 24N41 H50BMG 20N29 US 869 D100 VIHTAVUORI: Offers a wide range of popular powders for all burning rates. Thread starter Barehandlineman11; Start date Oct 8, 2019; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member. Both for accuracy, ES spread and speed. I decided to mine the 300 PRC thread in the ELR subforum for handload data ahead of starting to work up a load for my rifle, working backwards from recent posts. I have to get my load developed before elk season. Learn how six different powders work in Hornady's new 7 PRC. 657 COAL, started at 77. Retumbo. You might try RL33 for grins too. iplan on shooting 230 berger's or 200 cutting edge solids out of a 300 rum till I shoot it out, then rechamber to 338 edge. I do not have that issue with H1000. 338 Lapua. 730 going to test groups of H1000 vs N570 and see what it like at distance. Loaded to 3. The case can go quite a bit faster, but the node was just too wide and stable to ignore. 39 3045 99. N560 is not as temperature insensitive as N565 and N570. New posts Search forums. I would like to know if anyone has used H1000 or retumbo to load these 300gr atips. AXSR. In all that and all that Ive done I was just saying 560 was a walk off as far as consistently giving accuraccy and the upper end of speed. Retumbo in contrast has a VMD of . Also suggested to me was VV N570 (also non-existent), Just curious if you see much difference in the 7 prc compared to the 300wm with bullets in this weight. Ah. I started using it because in 375CT 350 grain bullet category it gave about 50-75 fps faster than Retumbo and shot just as well or better. Do not be afraid to jump bullets. The other thing you will want to consider is as the barrel breaks in it will speed up about 50-100 fps. Reactions: 338 dude. Vihtavouri says it splits the difference between N560 and N570, but is closer to N570. He's got half a dozen 28Nos and they're all tack drivers. CharlGous New member. Any preferences between the two? Why? Any recipies to share? Thanks! I got 2950 with h4831sc, it's the gold standard powder for the 6. May 6, 2024 #9 TxLite I moved on. There was a nice wide node between 83. Has good temp stability up into the low 90 range. We used the N560 and RS80 for 338LM. 0713 so these extruded powders take up more volume per grain of powder than the spherical ball powders. 20N29 was the most accurate but couldn’t get more than about 3150FPS out Been trying for the past couple of months to score some H1000 (son's coming home on leave from the AF in a couple weeks, and needs an ELR fix) but I've been too slow on the draw despite Discord and checking every damn site several times a day. Our load for that match was 68 grains at 2,930 FPS with . Currently, I live in Texas. . Joined Sep 24, 2019 Messages 54 Reaction My opinion is that N570 is the best powder for 200+ grain 300 win mag and other 30 magnums. New: High Energy powder N565. 4 grains, between 3. 8 western really decent velocity with 175 grain bullets. 350 ! I’m not reading great results with N568, not like I’d expect for something between N565 and N570 but I’ll give it a try and see for myself. 9 65000 16077 1. (7mm Rem, 300 WM , 300 PRC) If that is a wrong assumption someone please correct me. From what I found also on web it is extreme stable. 5-284 Norma, which is the sweet spot for the cartridge. Has anyone had experience running Retumbo in a 28 Nosler? I was running N570 but am running out. I just found some Fairy Dust in the form of R26, Retumbo, and H1000 at a local sporting goods store. 9 gr N560 in the 2825-2850 range for 250 gr Lapua Scenar bullets with this rifle using Lapua Brass. Feb 24, 2021 I know this question will likely cause 50% of readers to pop a vessel, but I have been reading a lot into gunpowder manufacturing. I found some retumbo a month ago, while I was in afghanistan, at reloading unlimited and ended up talking to the guy and he answered a bunch of other questions I had Well, I shot a a short ladder test between 74 gr 76 of N565 and all my groups were between 1" to 1. No groups that gave me any hope, little disappointing. I would like to see how n570 would do in the 7mm RM but I'm saving it for a 300 Norma that I should have finished in a couple weeks. I had always used Retumbo. Test at 8960 ft above sea level and temp was around 30-35 Living in AZ I finally settled of working with the Hodgdon extreme powders when possible even though I had some great loads with other powders. Reply. H-1000 is . Good availability. So I'm not sure if it really is more bulky. 0 retumbo case. V. Joined I really like N570 in my 6. It's more about "what you can get" than "what you I started using it because in 375CT 350 grain bullet category it gave about 50-75 fps faster than Retumbo and shot just as well or better. 20N29 was the most accurate but couldn't get more than about Retumbo seems to be the new unobtanium, so doesn't really matter. Was awesome in other barrel. even at the highest load of 94. 5PRC and N570 If the primer pockets won’t hold before I get to the tenth firing I’ll back it off a little. N570 really woke mine up but I could feel the throat burning with every shot lol, h1000 and 26 gave me similar results and Retumbo shot the largest groups of the bunch by a fair margin. I'm building a 300 PRC as we speak. 5PRC and N570 You guys should try retumbo for bullets around the 350gr weight in the CT. Replies 65 Views 20K. 5 gr RL-25 or 95 gr Retumbo both shoot great getting 3175 FPS Retumbo ADG brass Fed Retumbo – Solid Choice for 190s. You can’t always have your cake and eat it N570 is the slowest of our high-energy powders and is an extruded, tubular powder type with grain dimensions of 2,3 mm length and 1,3 mm diameter. 260. I would like to hear about specific experiences and load testing with Retumbo in this caliber and if there was a The N568 rifle powder The most recent heavy-weighter in our N500 rifle powder series is the N568. Maybe also look into N570. RL26 works for guys in 338 rum. I've built a couple of the 7 prc's now and have reached 3000 fps with 180gr Berger's with both N565 and Retumbo in Retumbo avg 2849 fps Reloader 33 avg 3023 fps 35 degrees ambient Reloader 33 avg 2991 fps 77 degrees ambient All testing was done with a Mageto Speed Now Jeff is saying he's noticing temp sensitivity with VV N570, which I had thought had proved to be very temp insensitive. but thats why I bought 2 rifles. Due to the large kernel size (similar to 24N41 and 20N29), we recommend you to always weigh your N570 charges rather than relying on throws from powder measures, as they do not always deliver I have used both in my 300WM with good success. Its a slower burn rate powder than Retumbo. I have never used N570 so can't speak from experience and won't guess based on what I hear/read. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 8133 is darn near the same burn rate as N570. 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